What 'going deeper into the self' means: questioning until answers run out, and knowing

Frederic asks the Wonders to explore from different angles what the self is and what going deeper means.

He says he has trouble defining the self, that going deeper feels to him like going broader by including more angles and aspects, and that where he once assumed the self was something to be discovered he now suspects it is something created and not fixed.

The Wonders suggest it is uncovered rather than created, and describe the method: ask a question, get an answer, then ask where that answer comes from, and keep asking why until the mind runs out of answers and reaches frustration, having exhausted all possibilities and probabilities - yet a last question remains.

At that point all there is is a quiet moment, and in that quiet he begins to get into his knowing: not the clarity of an answer but a knowing, a sixth sense, an awareness.

That is the beginning of going deep into the self, and from there the questions change - the knowing is no longer an answer to a question but 'this is what I know, what else do we know, where else can we explore' - so he goes broader and deeper simultaneously, until he realizes there is no separation at all: no fear, no judgment, no guessing, just an absolute, irrefutable knowing, which is the place inside that knows the self.

Asked whether that means there is only one self, they answer there is one self with many aspects, and confirm that going deeper does mean including more aspects and angles - but of knowing, not of 'I think, therefore I am'.

He currently thinks he exists; eventually he will know he exists, with no definition attached, and in that knowing anything is possible and there are no limits, and he will move away from definition because definition creates separation from the self.

Frederic asks how, as a human being who only has glimpses of this, he combines the two, and whether the mind does not need an incentive.

The Wonders reply that the mind wants incentive, proof and a way to believe, but there is no such thing in knowing.

Eventually the self commands the mind and the mind becomes the tool it was intended to be, an extension of the self rather than a self-defining, self-judging entity.

His mind currently thinks it is self-created and therefore an entity, and resists being a tool because it believes that would minimize its value - whereas its value to the self is maximized: as a tool it becomes more fulfilling, more creative and more aware than it can ever be as an entity, losing itself as an entity but gaining the relationship of the self as an existence.